We Need Better Narratives About Gender

October 10, 2023

Guests: Masha Gessen

Masha Gessen is a staff writer at The New Yorker who identifies as trans and nonbinary; they began working in the gay and lesbian press in 1983 at age 16, lived in Russia for 22 years, and left after 2013 anti-gay legislation placed LGBTQ parents outside the law. Lydia Polgreen, the guest host, is a New York Times Opinion columnist, former international reporter, and co-host of Matter of Opinion.

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Guest host Lydia Polgreen talks with New Yorker staff writer Masha Gessen about the intensifying backlash against trans and nonbinary people. Gessen theorizes that autocrats and aspiring autocrats weaponize gender to promise a return to an imaginary, predictable past where families and identities felt fixed. They critique the LGBTQ movement's 'immutability trap' — the born-this-way framing — arguing it fails nonbinary people and those who experience transition as a choice, and advocate a liberatory framework of freedoms-to over a narrow rights-based discourse. The conversation ranges across regret, gender-affirming care for minors, the gendered ubiquity of cosmetic surgery, and Gessen's own history of fleeing Russia after 2013 legislation targeted them as an LGBTQ parent.

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