It’s Time to Talk About ‘Pandemic Revisionism’

August 29, 2023

Guests: Katelyn Jetelina

Katelyn Jetelina is an epidemiologist and the author of the widely read newsletter 'Your Local Epidemiologist.' || This episode was guest-hosted by David Wallace-Wells, a writer at The New York Times Magazine and the author of 'The Uninhabitable Earth,' while Ezra Klein was on book leave.

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The episode asks how Americans should remember the Covid-19 pandemic, as 'pandemic revisionism' reframes school closures and mask mandates as unjustified mistakes. Guest host David Wallace-Wells presses epidemiologist Katelyn Jetelina on whether early public-health decisions hold up. Jetelina argues revisionism is a natural human response to trauma, but defends most early measures as reasonable under uncertainty: she notes America's exceptionally high excess mortality stemmed from an underfunded, fragmented public-health system, politicization, and poor communication rather than policy strictness. She says the physics of masks is clear while population-level policy effects remain murky; she calls school closures sensible in spring 2020 but costlier the longer they lasted. They agree on successes like Operation Warp Speed, the failure of reactive communication, and the need for a 9/11-style commission to capture lessons.

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