'I Have No Idea How This Ends. I've Never Seen It So Broken.'
About this episode
Klein speaks with columnist Thomas Friedman about the Gaza war, 100 days after October 7. Friedman describes Gaza as 'Hobbesian' — over 24,000 dead, nearly two million displaced, about half of all buildings damaged or destroyed — and says Israel's response has gone well past proportionality, with no political objective for the morning after. They discuss the danger of a wider regional war: Israel faces four nonstate fronts, and a Hezbollah conflict with precision rockets could cripple the Israeli economy and draw in the US and Iran. Friedman argues Hamas traded Gazan lives for a public-relations coup, that Netanyahu 'doesn't want to win, wants to be winning' to avoid a corruption trial, and that Israel urgently needs a legitimate Palestinian partner to secure Gaza, build a regional coalition, and unlock Saudi normalization. He calls for a ceasefire and hostage deal.