Trump’s Tariffs, Market Panic and What Comes Next

April 11, 2025

Guests: Peter Orszag

Peter R. Orszag is the chief executive officer of Lazard, the global asset management and financial advisory firm, and former director of the Office of Management and Budget under Barack Obama; he was an early leader of the Hamilton Project on economic policy.

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Recorded April 9 as markets convulsed after Trump's 'Liberation Day' tariffs, this episode asks what markets, CEOs, and boards are actually seeing. Orszag explains that markets hate uncertainty above all: corporate decision-making froze, and unusually, U.S. Treasury yields rose during the panic — a tremor in the supposedly safe base asset of the global financial system that forced Trump's 90-day pause. He discusses Stephen Miran's framework for remaking the global trading system (the 'Mar-a-Lago Accord' idea), the Triffin dilemma and the costs and benefits of the dollar's reserve-currency status, and the discredited Washington Consensus on free trade. Orszag's verdict: companies will wait out the uncertainty, tariff policy cannot restore 1950s manufacturing employment, and what matters more is who owns AI and the digital payments stack — where China is far ahead.

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