What Elon Musk Wants

February 7, 2025

Guests: Kara Swisher

Kara Swisher is a veteran technology journalist, host of the podcasts 'On With Kara Swisher' and 'Pivot' (co-hosted with Scott Galloway), and author of 'Burn Book: A Tech Love Story'; she has covered Elon Musk and Silicon Valley's political evolution for many years.

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Swisher, who has covered Musk for years, portrays his government role as a one-man wrecking ball executing his corporate playbook: seize information and money choke points, smash norms, and dare the legal system to catch up. She traces his radicalization from Obama-era liberal to conspiratorial right-wing figure through COVID clashes, his trans daughter, drug use, Twitter meme culture, and personal slights like Biden's EV-summit snub. Musk's deeper drive, she argues, is power and heroic self-mythology — a kinglike belief that people like him should control institutions — fused with great-replacement-adjacent anxieties and a South African-inflected worldview. His Twitter takeover, she says, was really about reasserting CEO control over employees, a template he's importing into government. The episode ends on the Musk-Trump alliance as mutually useful but fragile, with Musk a convenient sacrificial 'sin eater' when things break.

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