The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

January 23, 2026

Guests: Caitlin Dickerson

Caitlin Dickerson is a journalist at The Atlantic who has covered immigration closely since Trump's first term; she won a 2023 Pulitzer Prize for reporting on family separation.

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Journalist Caitlin Dickerson tells Klein that ICE has abandoned enforcement priorities in favor of spectacle: controlled arrests have given way to public raids, sensitive-location limits are gone, and fear itself is used to drive self-deportation. Staffing ballooned from roughly 7,000 agents late in Biden's term to 12,000 reported new hires — many inexperienced, with truncated training — while masks, propaganda, and recruitment carrying white-nationalist signals erode legitimacy. Border Patrol agents accustomed to broad border-zone powers now operate in American cities. Leadership purges, deportation quotas, and promises of immunity reward aggression, and massive new funding builds detention and enforcement capacity, while claimed self-deportation figures are dubious. Minneapolis fraud allegations became a pretext for sweeping armed enforcement against Somali communities and blue-state political opponents. They close on denaturalization, Stephen Miller's ideology, the risk of a domestic paramilitary — and why abolishing ICE cannot substitute for congressional immigration reform.

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